Joanna Macy, author, teacher, and scholar of Buddhism, systems thinking, and deep ecology is joined by Stephanie Kaza, author of Green Buddhism and professor emerita of environmental studies, in an exploration of the state of the world, our grief and gratitude, and our deep belonging to the living Earth. This conversation includes their timely insights for the challenges facing us today: climate chaos, pandemic, economic collapse, racial injustice, and the undermining of democracy. Topics are drawn from Joanna’s new book, A Wild Love for the World: Joanna Macy and the Work of Our Time (Shambhala, 2020), as well as the 30th anniversary updated edition of World as Lover, World as Self.